[lxc-users] Upcoming migration of linuxcontainers.org mailing-lists

[Narcis Garcia]

I want to encourage you to use only FOSS solutions, including
LinuXContainers when applicable. Promote by using them too.
Mentioning GDPR: FOSS have been the most ever respectful technologies
about personal data protection and privacy.

I don't trust GAFAM services (and both explicit and implicit TOS)
because of lack of transparency about their services softwares, and the
very reproachable sources of money.

How will you migrate personal data (subscribers) to a third company with
respecting GDPR?

I suggest you another solution: Move to Discourse (or similar FOSS
solution) (discuss.linuxcontainers.org) but not without making it more
polite in GDPR terms and strict CSP & SOP.

Regards.


Narcis Garcia

El 8/4/21 a les 15:47, Stéphane Graber ha escrit:
> You're obviously welcome to unsubscribe but for what it's worth,
> subscribing to a list managed by Google Groups does not require a
> Google account nor does it ever ask or implies that you're accepting
> any ToS (I just rechecked the test subscription e-mails I have here).
> 
> The instructions we'll put in place at
> https://lists.linuxcontainers.org will cover how to subscribe and
> unsubscribe using e-mails alone, so you won't ever need to go on any
> Google hosted site if you don't want to.
> 
> I did consider looking for someone to operate the lists separately or
> to migrate to another solution but this still makes things difficult
> for a few reasons:
>  - We have private security mailing-lists for embargoed issues which
> we wouldn't want someone else to have easy access to.
>  - We need to be able to easily handle GDPR and similar requests
> ourselves across all services running on linuxcontainers.org.
>  - We care about our mailing-list archives and not breaking any links
> so need to keep hosting lists.linuxcontainers.org itself ourselves at
> least for the next few years, though the current plan is to our
> existing static web servers.
> 
> It's certainly important to us that our subscribers can keep using
> those lists exactly as they have today with the only change being that
> to subscribe/unsubscribe, you'll need to email the +subscribe or
> +unsubscribe e-mail addresses rather than use the mailman web form.
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:48 AM Narcis Garcia <debianlists at actiu.net> wrote:
>>
>> I will not subscribe any service that implies accepting Google TOS.
>>
>> If you need mailing list infrastructure, please ask for it and I'll be
>> happy to serve them (and from an LXC environment!).
>> I have also a wizard to export & import mailman2 lists with full
>> properties and full data.
>>
>> To have been using Google already is not an argument, when users didn't
>> know and accept this. The best move is to go out of GAFAM; It's for
>> people's freedom and independence, the heart of free~libre technologies.
>>
>>
>> Regards;
>> Narcis Garcia
>>
>>
>> El 8/4/21 a les 4:59, Stéphane Graber ha escrit:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As part of moving some of our services to newer infrastructure,
>>> consolidating things where they make sense and in general reducing the
>>> amount of time I need to spend maintaining things, the
>>> linuxcontainers.org mailing-lists will soon be migrated over to Google
>>> Groups.
>>>
>>> linuxcontainers.org has been a Google Workspace domain for a couple of
>>> years now and all e-mails in and out of our mailing-lists were already
>>> routed through Google's SMTP infrastructure with mailman used at the
>>> mailing-list engine on our end.
>>>
>>> As I'm re-deploying all linuxcontainers.org services on new hardware
>>> and upgrading to more recent Linux distributions, I was left with the
>>> following options:
>>>  - Keep lists.linuxcontainers.org running on an older distro to keep mailman2
>>>  - Bite the bullet and go through a full migration to mailman3 (which
>>> for just 3 mailing-lists looks very difficult)
>>>  - Move to an alternative solution
>>>
>>> As we're already using Google for all e-mail delivery and the existing
>>> Google Workspace plan I'm using includes the full version of Google
>>> Groups, that seems the easiest approach, completely eliminating any
>>> need for maintenance.
>>>
>>> I've already migrated a couple of lists I used to host over to it and
>>> have been able to successfully do it while retaining the entirety of
>>> the mailing-list archive.
>>> I intend to do the same for the linuxcontainers.org lists, effectively
>>> stopping e-mail delivery to the lists, transfer the existing archive
>>> over to Google Groups and then move all members over.
>>>
>>> For existing members, this should be pretty seamless with the main
>>> difference being for new subscribers where
>>> https://lists.linuxcontainers.org will now send people to Google
>>> Groups for membership management and for access to the archive. To
>>> avoid breaking all links on Google, I'll keep a static version of the
>>> old mailing-list archive online at their current URL so that any link
>>> to them will keep working in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>> I expect the transition to happen over the next week or so. I'll be
>>> replying to this e-mail once it's all done.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Stéphane
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