<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Yeah I agree docker is just a wrapper but that one element does actually make a world of difference.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><span>I think docker should continue with a higher level of abstraction to make containers like vapour in a cloud.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent;">My opinion is that something like the below is a really essential part of the jigsaw for LXC and some of the other parts of Docker I don't really want.</div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_69" style="font-size: 12pt;"><div><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">lxc-create --pull
git -n name</font><br></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">lxc-clone --push git -n name</font></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times,
serif">When I saw docker it was just one of those Eureka moments where you question why are we stuck with a closed amount of templates? Why not a url ?</font></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">It reminds me of LTSP where the template scripts where always problematic as each distro was forced with their maintenance.</font></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">There are two things I am certain about one is the above and also like Docker.IO LXC needs a home LXC-Planet for want of a better name.</font></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div><div
class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">I am a big fan of adaptations of social media and as a consultant and not a programmer I have been frustrated not to be able to find a good social collaboration site.</font></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">I am also a big fan of Eric Redmond </font><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ar01s06.html" style="color: rgb(40, 98, 197); outline: 0px; font-size: 12pt;">http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ar01s06.html</a></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><br></div><div class="yiv2271909911yui_3_7_2_40_1374864138468_74"><span style="font-style: italic;">"<a rel="nofollow" id="yiv2271909911id2761616" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); outline: 0px;" href="">The simplest
way is the <span class="yiv2271909911emphasis"><span>command hierarchy</span></span>. In command hierarchies, scarce goods are allocated by one central authority and backed up by force. Command hierarchies scale very poorly </a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ar01s23.html#Mal" style="color: rgb(40, 98, 197); outline: 0px;">[Mal]</a>; they become increasingly brutal and inefficient as they get larger. For this reason, command hierarchies above the size of an extended family are almost always parasites on a larger economy of a different type. In command hierarchies, social status is primarily determined by access to coercive power."</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent;">Dunno if anybody has had any dealings with oxwall.org and I apologise but I believe in unstructured peer review meritocracies for the purpose of social
collaboration.</div><div style="background-color: transparent;">One day I will think of a snappier name :) but oxwall.org would be a good base to do something like that.</div><div style="background-color: transparent;">Its missing a googlesque voting mechanism on contribution, but one day ;)</div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent;">I do think an LXC-Planet would be good for a collection of idea's submissions of poly-distro acceptance.</div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent;">Bretton. </div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Robin Monjo
<robin.monjo@applidget.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Bretton Woods <woods.bretton@yahoo.co.uk> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "lxc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" <lxc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 26 July 2013, 19:26<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Lxc-users] Docker<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv565658852"><div>Actually, docker and LXC are two difference projects maintained by two different groups of people. So it has not "moved" to docker.<div><br></div><div>I have studied docker source code, and there is nothing they do you can't do using LXC and basic bash commands (except for their repository). You can think about docker as a wrapper of LXC serving the purpose of process isolation for the cloud
computing world.</div><div><br></div><div>Both LXC and docker have different end goals so it's hard to compare them. One thing: docker doesn't use template explicitly but images pulled by docker are basically images created by a LXC template. So docker replaced lxc-create (that generate an OS) by docker pull (that go get an OS over the network)</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Bretton Woods <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:woods.bretton@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:woods.bretton@yahoo.co.uk">woods.bretton@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv565658852Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">There is one thing about Docker that I really, really like and my main question is why
has it moved to docker when it should be a native LXC command</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">lxc-create --pull git -n name</font><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">lxc-clone --push git -n name</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">I think you get it whatever the semantics. That is a
really good idea and LXC is actually looking a bit lame being stuck to these templates that are maintained in a closed source manner!</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">I guess
there should be some talks about how that would pull config and fstab and mount mounts...</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">What I feel about docker is that it is LXC vs Docker its just why Docker when all I need is the above two commands?</div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style:
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