<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Serge E. Hallyn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:serge@hallyn.com" target="_blank">serge@hallyn.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Quoting Victor Marmol (<a href="mailto:vmarmol@google.com">vmarmol@google.com</a>):<br>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Serge E. Hallyn <<a href="mailto:serge@hallyn.com">serge@hallyn.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Quoting Tim Hockin (<a href="mailto:thockin@google.com">thockin@google.com</a>):<br>
> > > What are the requirements/goals around performance and concurrency?<br>
> > > Do you expect this to be a single-threaded thing, or can we handle<br>
> > > some number of concurrent operations? Do you expect to use threads of<br>
> > > processes?<br>
> ><br>
> > The cgmanager should be pretty dumb, so I would expect it to be<br>
> > quite fast. I don't have any specific perf goals though. If you<br>
> > have requirements I'm very interested to hear them. I should be<br>
> > able to tell pretty soon how far short I fall.<br>
> ><br>
> > By default I'd expect to run with a single thread, but I don't<br>
> > imagine one thread can serve a busy 1024-cpu system very well.<br>
> > Unless you have guidance right now, I think I'd like to get<br>
> > started with the basic functionality and see how it measures<br>
> > up to your requirements. I should add perf counters from the<br>
> > start so we can figure out where bottlenecks (if any) are and<br>
> > how to handle them.<br>
> ><br>
> > Otherwise I could start out with a basic numcpus/10 threadpool<br>
> > and have the main thread do socket i/o and parcel access<br>
> > verification and vfs work out to the threadpool, but I'd rather<br>
> > first know where the problems lie.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> >From Rohit's talk at Linux plumbers:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.linuxplumbersconf.net/2013/ocw//system/presentations/1239/original/lmctfy%20(1).pdf" target="_blank">http://www.linuxplumbersconf.net/2013/ocw//system/presentations/1239/original/lmctfy%20(1).pdf</a><br>
><br>
> The goal is O(1000) reads and O(100) writes per second.<br>
<br>
</div></div>Cool, thanks. I can try and get a sense next week of how far off the<br>
mark I am for reads.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> > > Can you talk about logging - what and where?<br>
> ><br>
> > When started under upstart, anything we print out goes to<br>
> > /var/log/upstart/cgmanager.log. Would be nice to keep it<br>
> > that simple. We could log requests by r to do something<br>
> > it is not allowed to do, but it seems to me the failed<br>
> > attempts cause no harm, while the potential for overflowing<br>
> > logs can.<br>
> ><br>
> > Did you have anything in mind? Did you want logging to help<br>
> > detect certain conditions for system optimization, or just<br>
> > for failure notices and security violations?<br>
> ><br>
> > > How will we handle event_fd? Pass a file-descriptor back to the caller?<br>
> ><br>
> > The only thing currently supporting eventfd is memory threshold,<br>
> > right? I haven't tested whether this will work or not, but<br>
> > ideally the caller would open the eventfd fd, pass it, the<br>
> > cgroup name, controller file to be watched, and the args to<br>
> > cgmanager; cgmanager confirms read access, opens the<br>
> > controller fd, makes the request over cgroup.event_control,<br>
> > then passes the controller fd back to the caller and closes<br>
> > its own copy.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm also not sure whether the cgroup interface is going to be<br>
> > offering a new feature to replace eventfd, since it wants<br>
> > people to stop using cgroupfs... Tejun?<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> >From my discussions with Tejun, he wanted to move to using inotify so it<br>
> may still be an fd we pass around.<br>
<br>
</div>Hm, would that just be inotify on the memory.max_usage_in_bytes<br>
file, of inotify on a specific fd you've created which is<br>
associated with any threshold you specify? The former seems<br>
less ideal.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Tejun can comment more, but I think it is still TBD. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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-serge<br>
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